Related%20passage for Pesachim 74:11

אמר רב אסי עיסה של מעשר שני לדברי ר' מאיר פטורה מן החלה לדברי חכמים חייבת בחלה

Rabbah and R'Joseph were sitting behind R'Zera, and R'Zera was sitting in front of 'Ulla. Said Rabbah to R Zera, Ask 'Ulla: What if he placed [the dough] within,<span class="x" onmousemove="('comment',' Rashi: in an ilpes. Tosaf: in an oven.');">¹⁰</span> and boiled it up<span class="x" onmousemove="('comment',' I.e., heated it.');">¹¹</span> from without?<span class="x" onmousemove="('comment',' Rashi: He placed a bread dough in an ilpes, baking it with an outside fire: is it bread or not? Tosaf: He placed in an oven such dough as is generally prepared in an ilpes: does this render it bread or not?');">¹²</span> What shall I ask him, he replied, for if I ask him he will say to me, That then is the [very] preparation of an ilpes!<span class="x" onmousemove="('comment',' Which is a point of issue between R. Johanan and Resh Lakish.');">¹³</span> - R'Joseph [then] said to R'Zera, Ask 'Ulla: What if he placed [the dough] inside and the flame is opposite it?<span class="x" onmousemove="('comment',' The flame itself bearing directly on the ilpes, which causes it to bake more quickly.');">¹⁴</span> What shall I ask him, he replied. for if I ask him he will reply. Most poor people do this.<span class="x" onmousemove="('comment',' They cannot afford much fuel, and so they have the flame directly opposite it. Hence this cannot change its status.');">¹⁵</span> R Assi said: Dough of second tithe, according to R'Meir,<span class="x" onmousemove="('comment',' Who holds in Kid. ');">¹⁶</span> is exempt from hallah; according to the Rabbis,<span class="x" onmousemove="('comment',' Who hold that it is secular property.');">¹⁷</span> it is liable to hallah.

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